I want clarification

[Lady Amara]

Making threats to the room....and the charaters in the room is in my opnion...very childish....and uncalled for. Making peace treaties with another realm...aginst the room that you are in....is also uncalled for. You are either apart of the room as a whole...or you are not in it at all. There will be no Portals...nor any pulldowns that seperate anyone from this room. This room...again....is HOUSE NAVERE...and if you do not like it...I suggest you pack your bags....and find a room that is more suitable. Thank you...

I want to know what in the name of GOD this is about now? Exactly? Because I played in DSH as my character and In Character action at that..and used Mara's ties of her past to bloody well Support House Navere? Or that Havensite was NOT ever going to be built in the actual city of Rivv'el..never was even thought that it was going to be even when this was just as ideal as a sub-room under KH or what exactly? Threats to the room what IC? That Mara is unhappy with Gia yeah..that the RP shows she would support House Navere against her friendship with Diedre is the real point behind the whole thing which the characters at the time of the RP understood ooc and ic. But you were not there Erin. So I have no ideal what your take on the IC script to go balistic OOC is about? It's just a game and that was the politics of it.

Or are you talking about the RP after getting back to HN? What was said between the characters there? Either way I don't see the relevance of you being angry or telling me to get the hell out because I was playing my character with others?

[EloraNavere]

Alright....as I said earlier....I have not had a good day. Obviously....I botched a few things up...and for this....I apologize. I thought that since the script was posted here....the roleplay was done in this room....and as I read it over...I realized what was said....but what I say still stands. With the threats that Mara made to Gia.....and with the fact that in Mara's eyes....House Navere is just a small city compared to her own. As I stated this is House Navere...I don't think anyone was planning on it being ran by anyone but Gia....nor did anyone wish there to be a bigger house (as you say you are) here. I did not say in your terms..."get the hell out." But I do think perhaps if your House is as big and towering over ours as you say....it would be best if you got your own room.

[Lady Amara]

Mara is older..she does have more ties..she always has. What was going to happen with Ched has not even been gone through in my mind but mentioning it. She has stayed in Haven..and it was always a huge place..havensite even over in Kielder. None of that has changed.

And Threats made to GIA IC was that..a single threat about Alais..for good reasons to the character. What that has to do about who is doing what IC actually is completely fathomless to me. No one can disagree with other characters? A large joy, love fest perhaps? That's not the game nor even Drowian interactions.

What my character thinks IC is just that..IC. Why it keeps getting drug OOC, I don't know but that's crossing of the largest measure and personally, I happen to dislike that heavily.

And just for your information, I happen to have been telling people what a great room HN is. You have NO clue who I am OOC, not IC Ma'am. Risa & Aramis are old old friends. Along with PJ and Rift and a couple of others who want to come play here. Yes, to get to play with me again but because I put -myself- on the line and told them Navere was a great room with good people at the healm.

All this wants to make me do, from the first time IC seems to have been taken personally and drug ooc, is find somewhere else to play and tell them to do as they will but watch themselves in their actions because there seems to be no clear line between IC and OCC around here.

That's sad really. It is good room and has good leaders but the whole concept of one room, one place, nothing else but that place like KH was ..well okay..then I never should have been asked way before it opened if I wanted to have Havensite there (Or Ched AS I was more then willing to shift main area of operations for the flavor of the room) because I wouldn't play it any different then I ever have before.

This has all been very illuminating. I have not posted OOC in such measures on this board through the last week and a half to stay out of things. Clearly it is finally out that I should remove myself from the room.


Appolgies for that, the waiting in the wings to see if people would pan out and breath about things, to keep IC IC and OOC OOC, to use only in character knowledge in play and only that without mixing things, as are the standard rules of gaming, but not my play or staying In Character with my character as she is.

Personally don't have a problem OOC. Everything IC was just that. Seems that is not the way anything else is being handled at the moment. Really. Nice room. I have enjoyed what I have done here.

[EloraNavere]

I'm not trying to drag any of this out of character. You are right....I do not know you...ooc....nor do you know me ooc....and to be honest with you....I've never had a problem with you out of character.....nor am I trying to. I am simply stating that you do not go into a persons room....and begin making threats to their characters in which Mara did to Gia stating that if anything happened to Alias.....then Gia would be delt with. I come here to roleplay to have a good time.....not worry about threats to my characters.

[Lady Amara]

And that was IC...come into the room is OOC. To play in that area of the room, in that house is in character. To threaten Gia Navere..with Mara's temper which is held but there..that if anything happen to -who she thought- was just her Daughter-by-Nest and turns out to be her blood granddaughter from her Son is nothing different then if Elora was abused, taken, made sub-servant in another place and her Mother came to tell them don't let it happen again should Elora decide to stay. Simple.

It has nothing to Do with Bek OOC or the Room or who runs it but plain, simple RP whether anyone liked that or not. It was not personal OOC. It was the game. And since that moment I have been persona non gratis. Clearly given, because my character made a motion about her flesh and blood.

How -that- equals me doing anything to the room Real Time, does not equate. Someone point it out to me where I have been out to harm this room OCCly?

Even IC she has been, controled in her actions. She did not turn dragon and attack Gia, she did not steal one of her children to show her the errors of things..she didn't do anything underhanded, she told Gia to her face not to let it happen again. That was respect whether anyone but another of her species or those that have known her a long time In Character would understand.

In Mara's mind it was also not a threat, it was a promise, one that is no longer in play because Gia released Alais. Mara got what she wanted with her actions and that was the end of that. That Gia does not like Mara or is angry with her or just simple to the point does not want to acknowledge she exists In Character is perfectly fine with Mara, she doesn't dislike Gia, she doesn't want House Navere destroyed, she has too many links with it In Character, means she is actually hoping they stay safe and things are calm, hense her interaction with her -old- friend, the Queen of Dragonshire Highlands.

But that is ALL In Character and has nothing to do with Out Of Character there being some issue with the way the character is played, which is no different then she has ever been played. Each of my characters is different. Mara just is who Mara is and I have enough years behind her to point that she has not changed. She has been for Kielder and pissed at the crown at the same time. Personal disagreements between those she sees as allies, family or friends does not mean she would align to throw them to the wolves.

Be any of that as it may, there is still a real crossing of what is going on In Character and personal feelings being hurt Out of Character through others. Only thing it does to me OOC is make me more tired then I need to be over In Character actions. If I took everything that happen IC personally and decided the person was out to get me some of my best friends Real Time who I play with would not even be that.

I think oocly you are all fine people, but this taking it personally as if I am against the room OOC and want to destroy it, is silly. Completely silly, when it is just In Character I am playing.

As I said, I can leave the room, have already been asked two other places after the boards here have been read. I don't know. Is up to you all. You run it. You want my characters gone so be it. Just let me know clearly one way or the other.

[Drew]

I don't think it's necessarily the fact that Mara threatened or dissrespected Gia as that Mara COULD do those things. That's no body's fault and I'm not saying that Mara's over powered or anything, it's the simple fact that if she's Matron of Ched Nasad Gia would, more or less, have to listen to her. That kind of infringes on the RC's control. Drew demanded Ali's release plenty of times and no one flipped out, though I think Curt fell out of his chair laughing once or twice. That's cuz the very most Drew can do is be a bit of an annoyance.

If Drew had, say, total control of Menzobaranzan, then they might have considered not torturing him so much and maybe being nice to Ali, but that would have been kind of like a Deus Ex Machinus and buggered up the story line.

But I'm not saying that you or your character are wrong here. Mara is awesome, and she had every right to want Alais' release. I'm just trying to say that people have a reason to be kind of bothered by it even though I know and you know it was unintentional. You're an awesome player and DSH will be all the better for having you. More than anything I just don't want anyone coming out of this with hard feelings.

Please don't yell at me for taking sides, because I'm really not. I'm just trying to explain other peoples views because maybe the people with those views are angry and can't explain them without that anger getting into it. Anyhow I wish you all well and I hope HN gets through this.